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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Anybody knows how can I germinate seeds of Acer Palmatum?

Here is pictures of Acer Palmatum seeds..



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Sow late summer onwards if germinating seed as nature intended, outdoors in pots for the weather to provide the natural stratification of seeds.

A more uniform germination can be obtained artificially by placing the seed mixed with damp compost, vermiculite, pearlite in a refrigerator. Some species will be supplied stratified or germinated and are ready to sow.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

We wait to harvest the seed even later, until October or November, then either stratify in the refrigerator as previously suggested, or in flats outdoors, which we cover with screen to keep mice and other critters out. If not all seeds germinate the following spring, hold them over and try again. I suppose seeds might ripen earlier where summers are hotter than ours in Oregon, USA.

What many people don't realize is that seedlings from a particular cultivar of Japanese maple probably won't look like the tree it came from and cannot correctly be called by that tree's name, even if it does look like it. The only way to propagate a cultivar (e.g. Bloodgood, Crimson Queen, Aka shigitatsu sawa) is by vegetative means. Although cuttings are a possible way, cultivars are usually propagated by grafting, because many don't do well on their own roots.

On the other hand, seedlings often make nice trees, and are the source of new cultivars.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Yes.. I think that Mile have 3 new cultivars. I hope he will upload some pictures..

I buy some seeds of Bloodgood.. I know that many of thems will grow to some green cultivars but I hope some will be Bloodgood Smile


I'll try to stratify as you told me Wink I will put some in refrigerator and some outdoors.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

propagating acer palmatums from seed is fun Smile it germinates well and plants grow very fast...I have managed to grow hundreds of acers from seed.. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Here are my seed grown maples. From 1000 seeds only these samples are different.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:52 am    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Is 3 per mill good result or not? ...i wonder

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Well, anyway, you can use some of the others as understock, and graft the pictured ones onto them. They look like they could be interesting, depending on what they do when they grow up. What time of the year were the photos taken?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

I'm sorry to be picky, and will shut up after this, but I like to be technically correct when speaking of plants. It might matter sometimes, especially since everybody's native language is different on this site.

'Cultivar' stands for CULTIvated VARiety. When Mile gets seedlings that are noticably different from the norm, those are individual variations. If, in nature, that particular variation perpetuates itself, then it's a variety. If Mile keeps the variation going by grafting it or taking cuttings, then it's a cultivated variety , or cultivar.

Marcus hopes some of his 'Bloodgood' seeds will be 'Bloodgood's but technically, none of them will be. They might be enough like it that it makes no real difference to Marcus or you, but technically, they can only be called 'Bloodgood' if they come from non-sexual propagaton. That's because every 'Bloodgood' in the world should be genetically identical, so when you pay your money, you know exactly what you're getting. Seedlings, while similar in appearance, are not genetically identical. For example, one could look just like 'Blooodgood', but only get 1m tall.

Although I've used English words, these are international conventions in horticulture. They are to make sure that, if you pay big bucks for a rare cultivar, you actually get that cultivar, and not a seedling of it that will be totally different, which most of its seedlings will be. What I've said is true for many other plants, not just maples.

This concludes the sermon. I promise not to bring it up again.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Nice point groe Smile
I am sure that when markus said cultivar he meant variation Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

kuchlar wrote:
Nice point groe Smile
I am sure that when markus said cultivar he meant variation Wink

Yes yes.. of cours..

Thank you groe for explanation ! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

can you tell me what is the difference betwen Acer palmatum and Acer japonicum?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

They're distince species. Japonicums are, on average, larger trees, to as much as 12-13m', while palmatums tend to top out around 5m. But there are exceptions. They're also a little hardier. their natural range including all of Hokkaido. They're more apt to have multiple trunks. They tend to have more rounded leaves, but don't always. Some are very hard to tell from palmatums, others easy. One common distinguishing feature is a bit of downiness on the japonicum leaf.
Just to confuse things further, some varieties previously classified as Acer japonicum are now called Acer shirasawanum. This includes the Golden Full Moon maple (Acer shirasawanum 'Aureum') and the cultivars 'Autumn Moon' and 'Red Dawn'. All three species are commonly referred to as Japanese maples.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Oh, one of my favourite trees!
leaf picture 664- is that Tsuma gaki?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Acer Palmatum germination.. Reply with quote

Hi groe...
You seem to know a bit about Acers, and maybe you provide me with some information that I'm having trouble finding about. In terms of "grafting", can different species from the genus "Acer" be cross grafted onto other species of "Acer"? To clarify, could I successfully graft Acer palmatum onto Acer rubrum rootstock, or vise-versa? Also, if I have a named grafted variety of maple and wanted to graft a cutting from it, what should I look for in rootstock to graft a scion on to?
Thanks for any help that you could provide...

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