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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Afforestation - give us your plans and:or your experiences! Reply with quote

Ever since I was a boy, a had a strong connection with trees. And, I wanted to do something about afforestation.
Now, I am getting closer to my goal (to afforest 10 ha of ground - later maybe even 20) although due to modest resurses to do that - I would appreciate any help - tips, advices...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Afforestation - give us your plans and:or your experiences! Reply with quote

I have no idea where you live but in some countries, the government provides tree seedlings at very low cost for people who wish to plant large areas. Have you checked with government sources to see what they may be able to do?

Do you want a natural mix of trees such as would normally be found in your area? Or are you looking at planting specific trees for certain conditions or uses?

Are you aware too that forests go through a cycle in growing to maturity with subsequent changes of flora as younger nursery trees die & longer lived trees take over? Ground coverage on the forest floor will also change over the decades.

Perhaps the easiest thing would be to start with seedlings. It may seen slow going but it's how a forest reseeds itself after severe forest fires or diseases. When your seedlings are old & big enough, you can replant them in small batches into their permanent places.

I've never tried doing something like this but living in a naturally forested area, I've read lots about the development of forest ecology over the years. Another good idea would be to go through your library system to see what sort of books they may carry on the subject. With the undertaking you wish to do, you'll want to be well educated & prepared prior to starting such a large venture.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Afforestation - give us your plans and:or your experienc Reply with quote

Ha, ha, Iso! Living in Canada - You do not need to worry about forests in your backyard...For the time beeing. Smile
I am living in Belgium, but the plan of mine is to afforest some land in Serbia - from where I am originally.
I did make some research on this subject - and found some ideas what to plant. But, this is the way to learn more; For I see a million problems for I am not a pro - forest ingenieur - or so Mr. Green
Since I have to think in the terms of economy, my idea is to make 'plantages' of trees. So, not a natural wood. That excludes me form getting seedlings from the government. (that, and the fact of living out of the country + smal choice, rare offer, smaal amounts of trees to get...)
But, 'plantage' means you can use it when you decide. Smile
Therefore, I am in search for rather fast growing trees, but of better quality. Such as Nothofagus procera, or Metasequoia gliptostroboides or Quercus rubra, Robinia pseudoakacia, Prunus avium, Pterocarya, Taxodium dichticum etc; Pseudotsuga? Red Sequoia? Cedrus atlantica?...
First part of my plan is to put the really 'fast' ones.
Second - also a slow growing trees: Araucaria araucana, Quercus robur, Fraxinus...That I would plant as natural forest, and it may go form seeds...
A lot shall depend also on what for a land I get my hands on.
But this project is far more complexe than I thought!
Small question: in which part of Canada are you living?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Afforestation - give us your plans and:or your experienc Reply with quote

Tarzan, I won't promise anything as I may not be successful but give me the name of the area you're from originally so I can check out what sort of forest growth is natural there & the name of trees too. I know much of Europe was originally forested but over the many centuries, trees have been cut down to make way for people & farming. Trying to return to the original of centuries past is impossible but to increase the area that is forested is a great idea & possible.

I live in the very best part of Canada Whistling (hope no fellow Canadians are insulted by my joke)!! Beautiful British Columba (BC) & in the lower mainland near Vancouver. It's the warmest part of Canada & sometimes nicknamed Canada's 'banana belt' since ornamental bananas can be grown here outside. Even some fruiting varieties can be but aren't common - these are the tiny bananas you sometimes see in stores.

Yes, forestry is BIG business here but much of the trees cut down aren't that good for lumber as they're often very soft wood - a lot of conifers are. Then, they're used for wood pulp in making cheap paper (newsprint & toilet paper) & in making inexpensive wood products like pressboard or simple framing lumber. I find it sad that more hemp isn't grown for paper instead of using trees. Clear cutting is often done & ruins the landscape, let alone rainwater retention, causing mudslides during heavy rains.

I have a very large Douglas fir in my front yard. It shades my place too much in winter but so nicely in summer. Very Happy It's a 'messy' tree, dropping lots of cones & small twigs. It needs cleaning up underneath frequently but I love it. People have often asked why we don't cut it down since it blocks the view (yes, the view of other people's roof tops). Evil or Very Mad How stupid they are! Because of it, my very large deck (which is on the second floor right next to the tree) is full of birds of all types & home to many squirrels. I'd just as soon cut off my arm.

From my deck, I have this beautiful tree on one side & on the other side, I have a perfect view of the mountains with Mt. Baker (a volcano that's been showing a bit of activity again) on the other side. I spend many summer evenings outside on my deck where I cook, wash my dishes, & read in summer. I have it full of plants & vines so it's very private too.

Tarzan, is there much strong winds where you wish to plant your trees in Serbia? Fast growing trees tend to be weaker than slow growing ones & can snap or break with strong winds. If you plant fast growing ones & it gets windy there, you'll want to make sure you plant windbreaks too to diffuse the force of the wind. Taking the lay of the land, topography, in mind may also be necessary.

It is a very complex undertaking. If the government won't be helping you, how about writing to a university in the area & explaining what you wish to do? They probably have a botany or agriculture department or even forestry that may be able to guide you along. I think it would be something they'd be happy to do & follow along with your idea. Perhaps even have some post-grad students working on this for a doctorate?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:53 am    Post subject: Re: Afforestation - give us your plans and:or your experienc Reply with quote

well, I have several locations in option. The ground is not bought, yet.

One is Srem. Rich, flat soil, summer rather dry, till 40 c°. Around 80 m above the see level. Till -18 c° in the winter. (not this winter! )

Another is not far from, more or less the same, a bit more hilly: till 200m see height

Third is in the western part of Sumadija region. Steeper, a little more rain in the summer...

There may be a strong wind on two of these locations. Good point, about windbreaks... Not Worthy I'll look for which kind of trees would be best for that purpose.

About university having agriculture department - it doesn't work like that in poorer countries of Europe...Even here in Belgium not. Belgium is rich, here I would get my plants from the state, so many of the kind per hectare, but here is the land 10-20 times more expensive...

About that one, pushing you to cut your Douglasia 'for the view' - I have also such a smart one in my neighborhood, to tell me that my (50 year old) Ilex is 'to dark for my (small) garden".... Laughing
While due to this tree - I have a lot of birds too! Half of the bunch of them are even sleaping in this tree, for it gives them a lot of protection from cats and falcons, beeing so thick and 'sharp - leafed'. For the rest, I feed them trough the winter Cool


It is pitty that even today, even in Canada exist clear cutting... So sad, such a loss Crying or Very sad And when I read about Amazonian forests - that makes me depressed Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Re: Afforestation - give us your plans and:or your experienc Reply with quote

Well, I found a parcel for afforestation, ehm, even two of them.
One is 4 ha, next to one creek, about 150m above the see level.
The ather is 6 ha, at 6-800 m see hight
The 4ha one could have some canadian poplars(1.5ha) and the rest...?
The second already has 3 ha under Quercus cerris, so, I would add to the rest Quercus rubra.
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